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	<title>Comments on: Origins</title>
	<link>http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/blog/franceprofonde/origins/</link>
	<description>Tim King on French politics</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: chris maddock</title>
		<link>http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/blog/franceprofonde/origins/#comment-25182</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>How an American sees the "un-Frenchness" of M Sarkozy:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How an American sees the &#8220;un-Frenchness&#8221; of M Sarkozy:<br />
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		<title>by: Emlyn</title>
		<link>http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/blog/franceprofonde/origins/#comment-23744</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Not completely at home in either country, after half a lifetime in France.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not completely at home in either country, after half a lifetime in France.
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		<title>by: Autolycus</title>
		<link>http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/blog/franceprofonde/origins/#comment-23343</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Did you mean ex-patriots or expatriates? One can be one without the other, or both at the same time; or indeed abandon either or both positions at will!

As a probably 100% Anglo-Saxon English quarter-Scot with (I hope) a European sensibility, it seems to me that conventional French thinking on questions of national identity, and "republican values" like laicité, is curiously unsupple and unaccommodating. Admittedly, we in the UK are just as capable of pressing the "Where are you from?" questions to a point that reveals the underlying assumption that - basically - black or brown people can't be "from" here; but equally, how can you understand and respect another's views and experiences if you don't know where they are coming from in all the possible senses of the phrase? How can France possibly know how well or ill it is serving its minorities if it refuses to analyse their experiences in their terms (statistically as well as culturally)?

To say "We are all one" in terms of the formalities of citizenship can - does - make it too easy to overlook and devalue any view or experience not already known within the dominant culture: and the ill effects of prejudice and inequality are thereby not dealt with. We had to learn that the hard way through repeated scandals: has France any better prospect of doing so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you mean ex-patriots or expatriates? One can be one without the other, or both at the same time; or indeed abandon either or both positions at will!</p>
<p>As a probably 100% Anglo-Saxon English quarter-Scot with (I hope) a European sensibility, it seems to me that conventional French thinking on questions of national identity, and &#8220;republican values&#8221; like laicité, is curiously unsupple and unaccommodating. Admittedly, we in the UK are just as capable of pressing the &#8220;Where are you from?&#8221; questions to a point that reveals the underlying assumption that - basically - black or brown people can&#8217;t be &#8220;from&#8221; here; but equally, how can you understand and respect another&#8217;s views and experiences if you don&#8217;t know where they are coming from in all the possible senses of the phrase? How can France possibly know how well or ill it is serving its minorities if it refuses to analyse their experiences in their terms (statistically as well as culturally)?</p>
<p>To say &#8220;We are all one&#8221; in terms of the formalities of citizenship can - does - make it too easy to overlook and devalue any view or experience not already known within the dominant culture: and the ill effects of prejudice and inequality are thereby not dealt with. We had to learn that the hard way through repeated scandals: has France any better prospect of doing so?
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		<title>by: marie-france</title>
		<link>http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/blog/franceprofonde/origins/#comment-23321</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you very much Tim for answering. I'll be so interested to read you in the next few weeks. I noticed that the heading "France Profonde" has disappeared from the latest "Prospect". It seems appropriate to discuss France from a less quaint angle. As blogs seem to be a place for "cris du coeur" I must say I am very concerned by what makes up Frenchness. I have been constantly worried about this topic. I can't enter into personal details but let us say I'm half French, half Czech but known at birth in Neuilly sur Seine as born of unknown parents. So there are no roots there. Sarkozy, it seems, but again I am not so well-informed, never mentions foreign roots. His wife on the other hand has remarked that she is not at all French, meaning she has no French roots. I used to say the same to my many foreign friends who were baffled " but what are you then?" was the common sensical rejoinder. My contention is that being French is an abstraction adequately defined by Green Papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Tim for answering. I&#8217;ll be so interested to read you in the next few weeks. I noticed that the heading &#8220;France Profonde&#8221; has disappeared from the latest &#8220;Prospect&#8221;. It seems appropriate to discuss France from a less quaint angle. As blogs seem to be a place for &#8220;cris du coeur&#8221; I must say I am very concerned by what makes up Frenchness. I have been constantly worried about this topic. I can&#8217;t enter into personal details but let us say I&#8217;m half French, half Czech but known at birth in Neuilly sur Seine as born of unknown parents. So there are no roots there. Sarkozy, it seems, but again I am not so well-informed, never mentions foreign roots. His wife on the other hand has remarked that she is not at all French, meaning she has no French roots. I used to say the same to my many foreign friends who were baffled &#8221; but what are you then?&#8221; was the common sensical rejoinder. My contention is that being French is an abstraction adequately defined by Green Papers.
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